Discarnate or Incarnate? No separation

This piece was channelled for a group in which the following question was asked.

Question:  You have said that the light of everyone is important for the whole.  Can you talk about the difference between Incarnate and Discarnate in this respect?

Ortundra:  If we consider light as something which runs along a spectrum there is no differentiation between what is seen and what is unseen, and all is important for the whole.  All that is unseen is such because the human brain and neurological system, including the optical nerves and the functioning of the eyes, is limited within a certain field or frame along the spectrum of light.  So those who are incarnate are functioning within a certain waveband, if you like, a vibrational rate which both confines the human spirit to a physical body but also contains that spiritual energy so that it has the opportunity to experience the five major senses as well as the sixth sense.   Through this containment, very specific experiences can be had which you understand to be those of being human.

If you move along the continuum of light to those who are no longer incarnate or who have never been incarnate, Discarnate - Incarnateyou are simply relating to a different vibrational body, still very much made of light but functioning at a faster, often finer rate.   There is a fine line between that which is seen and that which is unseen and in fact the human nervous system could see so much more than it does.  The brain is capable of much more penetrative vision into what is now unseen or outside of experience.  We anticipate that this will develop in years, decades and centuries to come.   And of course the sight and auditory capabilities of certain mammals and other creatures on the Planet far outstrip what the human being is capable of at the moment.  This potential takes the human mind and nervous system into a closer alliance with discarnate beings of light that exist seemingly outside your vision.

So too, for those who are not incarnate – they can focus universal mind and develop an ability to remain able to put on, if you like, a grosser cloak of atomic structure that brings them very close to the human being. For example, through apparitions and ghosts and very powerful imagery and dreams, those who have passed on, or those who have never been incarnate, are able to focus mind in such a way as to be gross enough, material enough to reach you as human beings.

So what I am saying is the differentiations between levels of existence within consciousness can become less compartmentalised and much more fluid. As the human being grows to live longer, and as the special children coming into the world now, grow and become old themselves, you will find human beings capable of doing things that until now have been either buried or not yet developed. There has been a loss because of damage to the intuitive mind in the West with the rise of the value given only to reason.  Much of that loss of value of the intuition and ability to use it is already coming back and will continue to come back in years to come.  As well as this the integration of highly developed intellectual intelligence and high quality intuitive sixth sense skill will take the mind further on indeed and there will be less and less disparity between the seen and unseen worlds.

© Delcia McNeil   channelled guidance


Believe in higher good


This was one of our most difficult and challenging sessions to date – in a personal, relational way. At this stage, Pad was more open to exploring the possibilities of what it was that we were communicating with than I was. I liked that my family were coming through and that my ‘uncle Frank’ was my guide, and I felt defensive when what I considered was Pad’s scepticism, threatened to take that away from me. I was reluctant to really consider that it might all be coming from my subconscious – like a major ego trip – but accepted that that was a possibility.

There was also a lot of confusion between Pad and myself when interpreting what the responses to our questions meant. We’ve since learned to take more time and to consider the responses from a wider perspective.

The usual intention was set prior to starting the session.         

Kris: Hello?

(Over a minute elapsed before the glass started to move, very slowly.)


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These statements were channelled by Delcia in preparation for leading a workshop on the topic of releasing, surrendering and trusting…


  • To let go is to know that the ground beneath your feet continues to be there.
  • To let go is to feel the tension in the physical body drain away and yet still to feel very much that you are in a physical body.
  • To let go is to know that trust is the cement upon which life and relationships is based.
  • To let go is to know that those who are close and dear to you share with you the deepest respect for life and love, and that in knowing this you can feel free to immerse yourself in all that you would wish for in your life.
  • To let go is to know when it is the right time to hold on, and when it is the right time to hold still and to be contained.
  • To let go is to know that the divine godhead, however you experience this, is always holding you.
  • To let go is to see your footprints in the sand knowing that the tide will come in and wash the prints away and you will be elsewhere making different footprints. The impressions that we make remain subtle in a long lasting way, but are often invisible.
  • To let go is to allow yourself to be invisible and yet to know that your presence is eternally here.
  • To let go is to trust your own mind and body – that it is here to support you, and give you the information that you need to know at any given time.
  • To let go is to keep fear in its place knowing that you, as I always say, are unconditionally loved.
  • To let go is to stop fighting the thoughts that come into the mind – thoughts that have no attachments but which torment and undermine you.
  • To let go is to live in the present moment. And in this present moment I give you my blessings.

© Delcia McNeil  – channelled guidance

Cellular development and death is not final


This was our first session in a week and I was really looking forward to holding it. I’d spoken to the Metaphysical group I attend every month about our experiences and they were very supportive and interested in doing some experiments together.

As the weather has turned and our front room is often cold, we decided to hold the session in our middle room by the kitchen. I was unsure what affect, if any, this would have on receptivity.  As usual we set our intentions before commencing the session.

Kris: Have we any ideas what we want to explore tonight, or are we just going to wait and see?

Pad: Depends who comes through. I might have a few questions if people we’ve had before come through.

Kris: Ok. Hello. (pause) I get the feeling that that’s it, we’ve done it all, it’s never going to happen again, we’ve had all we’re going to get from this…

Pad: I don’t think that happens.

Kris: Don’t you? (long pause) Do we have anyone with us? (pause) It might not like this room.

Pad: (amused) I don’t think they’re in the room.

Kris: (laughing) They still might not like this energy.

Pad: Yeh, they like the other one, it’s cold.


Kris: It’s been a while hasn’t it?

(slow movement(slow movement, then long pauseYES

            (slow movement(pause)   HOW ARE YOU

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You are the souls who hear the whisper…

This is our first joint post! We’ve just spent a couple of hours on Easter Sunday adding to our site and discussing in more depth our aims and objectives for setting it up, and how best to present the vast amount of channelled material that we both have.

We want to share topics and thoughts that we feel are most empowering for our visitors and that promote the benefits of receiving and sharing channelled material.

Here’s a quote from Ortundra which we feel is encouraging of this journey that we and many others are on:

            ‘The time for psychic knowledge in the modern world is yet to come and you are the forerunners. You are the souls who hear the whisper, who touch in on the other dimension, who feel the pulsations in the body that speak to you.’

The Nature of Channelling

When I was on holiday in Kudesaki, Turkey last October I read Jon Klimo’s book – Channelling – investigations on receiving information from paranormal sources.  I highly recommend this book.  I decided to channel a little more on the nature of channelling and who Ortundra is.  This is what came through:

“Sometimes it is easier to say who I am not.  I am not your ‘normal’ consciousness.  Neither am I a figment of your imagination.  Rather I am what you would call a sign – something that points the way, the way forward or rather from the point where you now stand.  I am not a person or a thing or any object really.  Rather I am an aspect of Universal Mind that happens to be with you – the you that you recognise as Self that is.

There is no separation – as we keep on saying – but there is division.  Division is a way of understanding complex shifts and changes in how thought and Mind create that which is conscious – not only to you but to every living creature or thing – even trees, nature, all there is.  It is the pulsation of Mind that brings all these things into being and without Mind there is nothing and there can be No Thing because Mind is all there is.  I am Mind, if you like, or at least a gateway, a way into or a way to connect fully with Mind.  When you live fully connected to Mind, and you become Mind (which involves a process of surrender – surrender to what you may call the smaller self – ego is too used a word, treated too negatively to be of use) you live synchronisticly.”

We play a game with Energy


(I’d spent the previous few days in emotional turmoil, not knowing how, if at all, I could tell XXXX what we had been told. I was so scared and worried. Not only about how she would react, but how it might affect our friendship. She could easily think I was putting far too much trust in this process, tell her partner all about it which would naturally cause him some concern.

I decided that maybe I could somehow test what/who ever it was and so get a better idea whether or not to give much, if any, credence to what it had said about XXXX. I’d texted our friend, Janet, and asked her to focus on something in her house. To really concentrate on it and ‘send’ its image to us.

As usual, we set our intention.)

Kris: So we set up the experiment. Janet’s looked at something and has texted it through. We haven’t read the text yet, so I don’t know what it was she looked at. Neither does Paddy. (short pause) Hello?

          U  TEST

Kris: (laughing) Yes, we test. I’m sure that’s very insulting…


Kris: Yeh, ok. Well I hope that’s ok. Is that ok?


Kris: It’s really nice that you think of it as a game. So…

Pad: Should we ask who it is?

Kris: Oh yeh, who is it we’re talking to? Who are you, what should we call you?


Kris: Ok, well, we’ve had both our dad’s through so whose dad are you?


Kris: Hiya, dad. Ok dad, Janet, as I’m you’re sure aware, has chosen something in her house to look at…

          POTT  OF  N T 

Kris: Hang on a second. Could you do that last word again? Pot of…?

          N U D G T

Kris: Ok, can we stop? So, can we start again? What is it that Janet was looking at?

(this very clear)POT (then slower) OF (pause)

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This is the first topic from my e-book, The A-Z of Wisdom & Guidance.  This book contains many topics that have been channelled from Delcia’s guide, Ortundra.  Here is the first one.


dictionary definition:  giving up or forsaking; being forsaken; self surrender; careless freedom of manner, impulsiveness

Ortundra says:  “Abandonment means total isolation, total lack of love, absolutely nobody being there for you or with you. Human beings constantly run from facing this, their deepest fear. Yet, as any of the great spiritual masters and leaders in the world will say to you, the lessons learned through facing and going through abandonment are in fact, in biblical terms, resurrection.

To be able to have the courage to face abandonment is a way forward into the future. For in knowing that you can experience abandonment and yet survive, is to know that you will never, ever be without sufficient in your life. I would say that the fear of abandonment is the root cause of all troubles in the world.”